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The War
Oct 13, 2004 18:40:12 GMT -5
Post by Vizor on Oct 13, 2004 18:40:12 GMT -5
Do you personally think the US was justified in it's attack on the Afganikan, Iraq and any other places it has attacked in reasent times?
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The War
Oct 13, 2004 22:18:01 GMT -5
Post by Ethan Hawkeye on Oct 13, 2004 22:18:01 GMT -5
Justified? How can someone be justified to kill? To me that's the lowest thing a person canb be when they resort to killing eachother. There's no justification for the countless innocents that were murdered and I don't see Osama Bin Laden do you? What about all the beheading now happening because of the situation in Iraq, this cannot be justified. The government sits around and lets these things happen.
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The War
Oct 14, 2004 14:14:19 GMT -5
Post by Eyesore on Oct 14, 2004 14:14:19 GMT -5
Hey Ethan, you obviously don't like people being killed, so why are you against them going into Iraq and stopping Saddam's reign? Sure, there were casualties along the way, both ways, but all in all I'm sure they're pretty thankful of it.
Don't think of it as an attack on Iraq, think of it as an attack on Saddam.
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The War
Oct 14, 2004 16:01:16 GMT -5
Post by breakdancingrobot on Oct 14, 2004 16:01:16 GMT -5
My personal feelings of war coincide with my religious beliefs (which makes me a bad republican I guess). I hate war. I don't think that any war is really justified, as I was always taught to turn the other cheek. I've honestly thought about me being in a room with Osama Bin Laden, and I always come to the conclusion that I wouldn't harm him. This doesn't mean that I support terrorism, it means that I don't support killing... under EVERY circumstance.
It's for this reason that I'll never join the military and never attempt to gain any type of political power in the future.
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The War
Oct 14, 2004 22:08:29 GMT -5
Post by Ethan Hawkeye on Oct 14, 2004 22:08:29 GMT -5
Saddam! Ha! The americans were lucky to have that as an excuse. Bush senior went in for oil what do you think bush junior went in for, to protect the people of the world and stop terrorism? I'm sure that happened to be on his list somewhere, but guess what he now has control over the majority of the oik rigs in Iraq. His troops are still there and Saddam's caught too, also he's HELPING the people when they say leave and let us make our government, as long as there's only a minorly established government in Iraq he holds power to their oil industries.
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The War
Oct 15, 2004 15:02:38 GMT -5
Post by Vizor on Oct 15, 2004 15:02:38 GMT -5
My personal feelings of war coincide with my religious beliefs (which makes me a bad republican I guess). I hate war. I don't think that any war is really justified, as I was always taught to turn the other cheek. I've honestly thought about me being in a room with Osama Bin Laden, and I always come to the conclusion that I wouldn't harm him. This doesn't mean that I support terrorism, it means that I don't support killing... under EVERY circumstance. It's for this reason that I'll never join the military and never attempt to gain any type of political power in the future. Would you say the war againts Hitler was justified? There are times when war is needed. Though this one wasn't in my opinion, well it was justified. Just not for the right reasons in my opinion...in a lot of peoples opinion for that fact.
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The War
Oct 15, 2004 16:02:24 GMT -5
Post by breakdancingrobot on Oct 15, 2004 16:02:24 GMT -5
I knew that WW2 would be mentioned; no, I don't think it was justified. Sorry, but killing people to save other people is not justified in my opinion. I have to say that ending the holocaust was extremely beneficial to society, and I enjoy these benefits on a daily basis. It might be construed as hypocrisy, but I still would not have killed Hitler if given the chance. I don't deal in Earthly concerns when infinite matters are at stake.
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The War
Oct 16, 2004 6:32:32 GMT -5
Post by Eyesore on Oct 16, 2004 6:32:32 GMT -5
Hey Ethan, did I say that that was Bush's incentive for going into Iraq? No, but the point is that as an effect of going in there for oil, lives were saved, seeing as how they needed an excuse and that was a damn good one. I wouldn't ever kill someone to save a life, although I would be thankful if someone got killed to save me... and come on Ethan, "the countless innocents that were murdered"? You know that countless innocents were murdered BECAUSE of Saddam, don't you? And that that number has accumulated to much more than the amount of casualties that this war has had? I'd just like to get that across.
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The War
Oct 17, 2004 19:48:34 GMT -5
Post by Sephiroth on Oct 17, 2004 19:48:34 GMT -5
george bush that fuckhead dumbass went and killed a bunch of iraq people under the CHANCE they had weapons of mass destruction dumbass texan god america starts more wars then they prevent.
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The War
Oct 17, 2004 20:07:10 GMT -5
Post by Vizor on Oct 17, 2004 20:07:10 GMT -5
I knew that WW2 would be mentioned; no, I don't think it was justified. Sorry, but killing people to save other people is not justified in my opinion. I have to say that ending the holocaust was extremely beneficial to society, and I enjoy these benefits on a daily basis. It might be construed as hypocrisy, but I still would not have killed Hitler if given the chance. I don't deal in Earthly concerns when infinite matters are at stake. So you believe that stopping Hitler from trying to take over the world was wrong. If you think there was a better way to fight the war againts hitler what do you think it could of been. If you sent a diplomat to try and argue a way out he would come back in a box. What other methodes do you think they could of used to sop hitler, besides just giving all the jews and everyone with out blue eyes and blong hair?
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The War
Oct 17, 2004 20:21:31 GMT -5
Post by breakdancingrobot on Oct 17, 2004 20:21:31 GMT -5
I don't think there would have been a better outcome any other way. My thing is that I would think that my immortal soul would be in danger if I killed any other person. Period.
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The War
Oct 17, 2004 20:23:51 GMT -5
Post by Vizor on Oct 17, 2004 20:23:51 GMT -5
I agree, I would rather have not had a WWAR II though sometimes...there just isn't anything you can do about it.
Though the current wars going on all over that the US are in are mostly BS. I mean, they were COMPLETLY not justified in attacking after 9/11.
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The War
Oct 17, 2004 23:32:03 GMT -5
Post by breakdancingrobot on Oct 17, 2004 23:32:03 GMT -5
I agree 100%. It sucks when I tell people this, because I normally classify myself as more conservative than liberal. I think people automatically follow the party that they are associated with.
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The War
Oct 18, 2004 15:51:27 GMT -5
Post by Vizor on Oct 18, 2004 15:51:27 GMT -5
Yes, people don't like to be proved wrong. Plus it's hard to speak up againts a power as big as the US. Even without the go of the UN. Of course the UN isn't going to agree...what proof do you have that those were the the countries that attacked you. On second thought what makes you think a Country attacked you in the first place you know. I'm under the opinion that this attack was all for money.
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The War
Mar 12, 2005 1:07:03 GMT -5
Post by Izar on Mar 12, 2005 1:07:03 GMT -5
Let's get this fom an american.
The war has it's good points, we attacked saddam because of his "womd" that he really didn't have. No, Bush was not trying to finish what his dad started. Infact, Saddam has taliban training camps along his borders.
Justified? Hmmmmm... yes. Saddam was killing thousand fors crimes such as being late for work. You get the picture?
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