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Post by Eyesore on Jan 28, 2006 8:23:32 GMT -5
So you see sending people to jail as a form of kidnapping? So if a kid breaks curfew and his parents send him to his room as punishment they should be arrested? Because that's what jail is, it's getting grounded by the government. You wouldn't kill your kids when you send them to their room...well, maybe you would Eyesore, but normal people wouldn't. And neither should the government. When you ground your kids it's a form of punishment. When you ground your kids for no reason, it's a form of kidnapping, you lummox. Thank you for proving exactly what my point was. When the government kills you as a punishment, it's different than someone killing you because they're angry, or insane, or whatever!
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Post by JackInJill on Jan 30, 2006 17:38:54 GMT -5
How is it any different? The criminal gets angry, kills someone. The state gets angry at the criminal and kills him. It seems very very similair to me.
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Post by Ethan Hawkeye on Jan 30, 2006 19:41:49 GMT -5
So you'd rather keep the criminal around and give him a sentance where he'll probably kill in jial or the possibiliy of him getting out, life sentences are 40 years in the states and less in cananda and her ein canada people get their sentences cut back all the time so they actually end up doing 1/4 the time, that's 10 years instead of 40.
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Post by JackInJill on Jan 31, 2006 20:29:44 GMT -5
what's your point, they get cut back because of good behavoir, if they kill in prison the chance of their sentence being reduced is less and less. Yes, I'd rather keep the criminal in jail
And before you all bring up the subject of people who are let out and then sent back in for another murder- they shouldn't get out again period, doesn't mean they should die.
Sure, it costs money to keep them in jail, but it costs money for executions too. There was a man who was wrongfully accused, as well was his best friend, of murder-sentenced to life. One of the men was named Faison or Fraison or something. They lived out 12 years of that sentence before the government realized their error, and that was only because Faison spent his whole time in prison writing letters, pleading with attorneys and judges to re-open his case. All the evidence proving they were innocent was over-looked, it wasn't that it didn't exist back then, it was that it wasn't brought to anyone's attention.
Do you think a legal system that flawed, a system that would imprison two men for 12 years of their lives out of sheer stupidity and apathy should chose whether or not a "criminal" looses his life? That's just wrong.
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Post by Ethan Hawkeye on Jan 31, 2006 20:47:18 GMT -5
I'm atcually not for the death penalty I was just backing Eyesore's point. I just don't think it's morally right.
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Post by JackInJill on Jan 31, 2006 21:13:39 GMT -5
Hehee, that's okay. I do think it's wrong to kill someone just becuase they're not fit for society, but jail seems so very little sometimes....
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Post by Eyesore on Jan 31, 2006 22:12:50 GMT -5
what's your point, they get cut back because of good behavoir, if they kill in prison the chance of their sentence being reduced is less and less. Yes, I'd rather keep the criminal in jail And before you all bring up the subject of people who are let out and then sent back in for another murder- they shouldn't get out again period, doesn't mean they should die. Sure, it costs money to keep them in jail, but it costs money for executions too. There was a man who was wrongfully accused, as well was his best friend, of murder-sentenced to life. One of the men was named Faison or Fraison or something. They lived out 12 years of that sentence before the government realized their error, and that was only because Faison spent his whole time in prison writing letters, pleading with attorneys and judges to re-open his case. All the evidence proving they were innocent was over-looked, it wasn't that it didn't exist back then, it was that it wasn't brought to anyone's attention. Do you think a legal system that flawed, a system that would imprison two men for 12 years of their lives out of sheer stupidity and apathy should chose whether or not a "criminal" loses his life? That's just wrong. What better form of justice do we have? In any fair justice system no one would advocate prison sentences because 'murder is wrong'. The government doesn't just 'get mad' at criminals when they murder, you could say the same about a system of jail sentences as a form of punishment-the government is just getting mad at the criminal. It's fathomable that there's a growing problem with people abusing parole and 'good behaviour' policies which allow them to get out of prison earlier with an inadequate punishment of... I dunno, something to the effect of five to ten years? I'm not sure how it all works out. On the other side of the coin, you can't really validate the death penalty because of a flaw in the current system. What a stupid solution... 'we can't sort out the obvious errors in our justice system, so we'll just resort to killing people!'
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